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  • Do NOT electrify a cirkut! There is no reason for it. A well kept cirkut camera will work fine. My 1904 fan camera is my best shooter! There are pleanty of surfaces were metal rubs against metal that can cause banding. Adding an electric motor will do nothing to solve this problem. A friend of mine took a #16 that was banding a little and switched to an electric drive. That made it worse. He has spent a large fortune trying to get it to work as well as it did before the conversion. Some original spring motors have been trashed, so owners had no choice but do a conversion. If your Cirkut is banding try a good cleaning and run the mechanism often before you trash a fine antique.
    Robert Erickson, bob@panoramic.net

  • A couple of things to do: 1 Remove completely or disconnect the film counter all together. 2 Remove the clockwork motor and have it cleaned and serviced my a watchmaker or someone who has had experience with clockwork motors someone who could repair old fashioned wind up gramophones comes to mind. Dont undo the brass case that holds the motor unless you are aware of what will happen, a bloody great spring and heaps of graphite dust comes to mind! 3 To remove the baseplate you have to start with the top of the drive shaft that goes through the take up drum, then loosen the screw holding the take up drum to the shaft. Then check to see how the speed control is connected to the base plate and disconnect that. My experience is with a #10 and that speed control is connected to the base plate with a very fine split pin, which will come out and just remove tthe speed control completely. Then undo the screws holding the base plate and slide the assembly out. It will come out with the drive shaft attached so draw it out carefully. 4 When you reassemble it take the serrated plate from the top of the shaft, file down the serrations and drill and tap a hole on the edge of the plate to take a small screw so that it sticks out about 1/8" and in the corresponding cupped plate file 4 semicircular grooves in it with a circular file. make them just deep enough to take the screw so that instead of jamming the 2 serrated plates together to take the photo you just tighten the 2 plates enough so that the screw just sits comfortably in the groove but DO NOT TIGHTEN any more than that. One of the big problems with banding is that the top nut is tightened too tightly causing the whole drim and drive assembly to lock up 5 Investigate the electric motor option if you are going to use the camera commercially 6 Add a Klein plate to the camera film delivery side and in that respect speak to Ron Klein who would be the one guy with all the answers and who can cut new gears if you need them.
    Col Bullard, cirkutoz@acay.com.au

  •     Believe it or not, a cirkut camera can be made to run quite nicely. I have spent twenty years perfecting the operation but must say it is tricky. Having worked on at least fifty of the cameras, I have learned a lot about their construction. I have worked on every model camera from the #5 to #16 and beyond. (I have a 22 inch camera) I will confess to owning and using an electric version, but more on that later.
        First bit of advice, DON'T MODIFY THE CAMERA!!! I can't tell you how many cameras that I've seen where the mechanism has been seriously altered to fix banding problems and the situation was only made worse. If you could find a totally new cirkut camera, would you tear it up trying to make it better? I'm not against modernizing the cameras, but I firmly believe that any new work to the original machine must be totally reversible. For example, an electric motor conversion should be made by removing all of the original parts and replacing them with newly machined compponents that screw into the exact same mounting holes. That way when you find out that your "better design" isn't solving the problem, you can get back to square one. The original camera mechanism wasn't built to high tolerance. Remember it wasn't the space age! However the original design is quite good.  The gear ratios were well thought out, as I have been able to use lenses from 6 inch focal length to over 30 inches on a number ten camera with great success.
        To begin, before you take your first picture, the camera must be inspected, cleaned, oiled and adjusted. Then at least once a year do the same.  Start with the tripod. Is it tight? any broken legs, or missing bits of wood? How about the holes where the turntable attaches, are they loose? A wobbly tripod on a cirkut is trouble trouble trouble. Next look at the ring gear. seperate the upper and lower halves and look at the teeth, and the upper surface. Look for damaged teeth from being hit or dropped. Also check the plating for peeling or wear. A bit of advice, DON"T HAVE THE GEAR REPLATED unless it is by someone who can do very precise work. An outfit doing car bumpers is not the place to
    go. Are there dents in the track surface? This must be repaired before replating.  Also, the ring gear must be leveled to the turntable. This was originally done by putting paper shims under the ring gear. The gear is marked by a number stamped in it, and it should match the ring gear number and also be put back in the same alignment. The center pivot hole (not on #5 or #6 cameras) is actually NOT supposed to be tight.  This seems contrary, but the rollers on the upper part of the turntable center need a little slop to prevent binding. The upper turntable rollers should be checked for looseness, flat spots, and total wear. I was fortunate enough to inspect brand new rollers and can tell you that any flatness on the rim is wear. Eventually they wear down to the point that the pinion gear doesn't mesh at the right height to the ring gear.  If the rollers are wobbly then the center is worn. Resist temptation to replace the rollers with ball bearings. Unless the ball bearings have brass tires on them, they are too wide and will skid while rotating.  The inside edge of the bearing would have to turn slower than the outside edge which is not possible. It is a good idea to wipe the surface of the ring gear and check rotation just before you take a picture. One piece of crud on the track will cause a bad spot in the picture.
        The camera guts obviously require the most attention. I could write a book on what to do, but it is actually quite simple to disassemble and clean. I will caution the #5 and #6 owners however. Those cameras are stubborn to pull apart and reassemble. The gears must be perfectly clean, and the shafts and journals as well. Journal must be inspected for wear which is done by watching the ends while gears are wiggled back and forth. To try to tell you how much wear is acceptable in a letter is difficult. I think a badly worn journal is obvious. If you are going to remove the upper plate, pay attention to small spacer washers that were used to shim the plate or the gear shafts. It is a good idea to make a sketch as you go. The gears can be wire brushed with a fine brass brush, but go easy. I soak gears in lacquer thinner to clean and wash all the parts except the spring in it as well. The spring is a special case. Taking it apart is not easy but can be done if you are brave. If you let it get away from you, there is 25 feet of razorlike material headding for your neck. The only reason to take the spring
    apart is to relube it and check for hairline cracks. IMPORTANT!!! DO NOT PUT GREASE OR OIL ON THE SPRING!!! The spring is lubricated with powdered graphite and is dry. If it were greased or oiled then on a cold day it wouldn't work at all. A good clock repair shop can do this work for you as well. They have special tools for unwinding mainsprings in huge clocks. If your spring is broken, it can be repaired. Usually it breaks on the inside end. I have cut off the broken part and drilled a new hole making the spring slightly shorter and it works fine. Thereis a trick to putting a hole through spring steel so please don't just try to drill it.
        When oiling the parts, use a spotting brush and apply a small drop of oil to each journal and moving part. Take a clean rag and wipe excess oil. Too much oil will attract dirt. DO NOT OIL THE GEAR TEETH!!! Brass gears are suposed to be dry. Lastly, a good trick is to use masking tape to seal the space between the upper plate and the base plate. This keeps dirt and crud from getting on the gear teeth causing instant banding. There isn't much room for the tape, but it will work.  The next time you open the camera, lacquer thinner will disolve the old tape.
        The only real adjustment on the mechanism is the ball governor and damper control for speeds (not on fan cameras). The upper adjusting screw on the ball governor should be loose, not tight. With the mechanism running the screw is tightened until the governor stops or slows down. Then back of 1/4 turn or 1/2 turn. There must be some end play which you can feel with your fingers. I have a #10 camera that had NEVER been taken apart since assembled at the factory, and with low mileage as well. The motor was very loose. This allows the 1/2 second speed to work.
        There are a lot more little tricks, but not critical. If you have trouble, put all the parts in a zip lock bag and send them to me. The best operating tricks are really simple. Eliminate backlash in the gear train, make sure the film is evenly attached to the takeup drum ( not too high or low), and that your tripod is level. Old timers will tell you to rest your finger on the camera as it goes around to keep
    tension on the gear train. Just remember, Cirkut cameras are like violins. Some people can play them and others.......
        If you are interested in electrofying your camera, let me suggest that an entire new lower plate be constructed so you can restore your original camera back to collectable condition. This will maintain its value and allow you to experiment with camera speeds unobtainable with spring motors. I was thinking about making some of these units for sale in my shop, but since summer is rapidly approaching and I already have a full load of projects it will have to wait. 
        So why use a big old cirkut camera when modern cameras exist that work better? 
    Because they're cool man!!! If you have problems, let me know
    Ron Klein
    panorama@ptialaska.net

 

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